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Fril Estelin · Feb 15, 2009, 07:21 PM // 19:21

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Regina did say she has played the game, a few pages back.

(she first said it on her wiki talkpage)

His point was to say that the mention of "the game" is not what people would expect: it was probably only an early prototype, playable, but nothing like the game they'll ship. And everyone knows that now, given the 2010-2011 timeframe. I guess it's a bit like the GW1 alpha 5 years ago, except all the big gaming mammoth know that Anet is on something big and may want to harm the game before it's even here.

Maybe I shouldn't have asked Martin if he saw GW2 (the playable prototype), or I should have kept it to myself. But I guess it's not saying much about GW2 anyway, apart from countering the ridiculous "vaporware" argument.

IlikeGW · Feb 15, 2009, 08:09 PM // 20:09

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Originally Posted by Craywulf

So for all the complaining on these boards, the majority of Guild Wars players are very much content and happy. They don't even concern themselves or are even aware that GW2 is in production.

Oh ho, it's the old 'vocal minority' guy. This thread is at least lively enough to get the token dismiss-everybody's-opinion argument, so maybe GW isn't doomed!

Yes there will be a trickle of people buying the game for the FIRST time that have content. But what does that say to everyone else that supported little Anet when they were an unknown company up to this year? That you're screwed. Piss off. Anet has left the building. There's not much way to spin this anymore.

It will be interesting because now people are confronted with a moral dilemma about buying GW2. Do I want to buy it after what happened, and what might be a similar problem with GW2's lifespan?

You thought Anet would free you of convention, well here you are buying loads of expansions, pay per storage, extra accounts. How unconventional, MMO's are never like that. You thought they weren't a company of dangling carrots, but each expansion included hordes of them. You thought, seeing Sorrow's Furnace, the high time had come that a company could add real story content and fun to their game in updates, well how many other SF were there? You were patient, you advised them, you scolded them, you bought their products, and in the end what was it all? I'll tell you, another MMO repackaged to get the casual market suckered in the same way true MMO lovers are to their games. All the deception of an MMO has been repackaged in fun size candy bars. It worked. Anet is rich, NCSoft thinks they're geniuses and let them take over their operations, and Guild Wars 2 is going to do the same thing all over again.

Age · Feb 15, 2009, 10:00 PM // 22:00

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

wait... you mean this?:

this surely can't compete with WoW on any serious level...

Not to mention that this ISN'T a new business model... it doesn't have a sub because the business model is based on the player buying ingame currency with real money to buy ingame items that aren't available without them ingame

It looks better than that as that is from beta and yes it can compete with WoW when it get well known.I am not sure what you mean by business model and you can buy ingame items using real currency.

I am not going to complain though as it is for free no keys needed.I have seen most places in GW ecept the elite areas and we all know how they are dare I mention the N word.It would be nice to have some new areas to check out.Don't get me wrong I still like GW better and I like my char better.

I would gather though that NCSoft is pouring most of thier resoureces into Aion and using GW to help subsidise it.

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Orignally Posted by Cacheelma
Not entirely true. How much hours do you think I'd spent with GW? I dropped it like a hot potato when I saw the chance to play something much much more fun.

You my have dropped it like hot patato but not a lot of us have and we have invested countless hours on to our account/s.

Gli · Feb 15, 2009, 10:56 PM // 22:56

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Originally Posted by IlikeGW

It will be interesting because now people are confronted with a moral dilemma about buying GW2.

A moral dilemma about buying a game or not?

Holy crap, what did ANet do? Kill your cat or something?

Lonesamurai · Feb 15, 2009, 11:26 PM // 23:26

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Originally Posted by Gli

A moral dilemma about buying a game or not?

Holy crap, what did ANet do? Kill your cat or something?

indeed... and I thought I owed Guild Wars a lot cos I used it to help me get through drinking... but jeez, some people are getting way too deep on it

Legendm · Feb 16, 2009, 12:19 AM // 00:19

Everyone whining in this thread is acting like GW is a girlfriend who won't put out anymore.

Seriously, just wait a couple years. Each time a new GW came out all you guys did was bitch about it. And now that their taking more time to make a better game, you keep bitching. People, in this case it's quality not quantity.

I'm sure there's something each of you, can do in the mean time. Maybe, I don't know, PLAY ANOTHER OF THE OTHER MILLION GODDAMN VIDEO GAMES OUT THERE!!! For RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO sake people you'd think GW was the only thing you guys could do with your lives. I stopped playing GW because I got bored, and now I'm doing other things with my life and two years from now I will pick up GW 2 and I will hopefully enjoy it.

*reading posts above*

Wait, how is Anet a sellout?

sindex · Feb 16, 2009, 01:07 AM // 01:07

All I have to say was my prediction was right on the spot yet again. I knew GW 2 was being held back to either 2010 or early 2011. I think to me Arena Net really needs to have another back developer for Guild Wars, since technically the two-person scheme won’t obviously keep everyone’s interest in the overall game until then. Don’t get me wrong, because I still marvel at how long and successful the GW franchise has been. However this long drawn out expedition into GW 2 is not going to hold every GW veteran until it’s initial release.

I still believe the overwhelming competition for the next couple of years (Blizzards and Bioware lineup) would probably cripple their chance at any success. In addition, I see many developers and publishers hurting in these tough times, so any AAA grade games would have to be held up until things would pick up again (economically speaking of course). Finally I think A-net did “put their foot in their mouths,” when they did that first interview (PC Gamer May 2007) for GW 2, in which the features were going to be ten times better then what they are now.

Therefore, all we have left to do now is play the waiting game until then. Only time will tell if things get better or worse though.

mrvrod · Feb 16, 2009, 05:49 AM // 05:49

I appreciate those of you who, regardless of who tries to bait you, always stick to the topic and provide interesting and insightful speculation to GW2 questions that obviously cannot be answered definitively.

I've always stated, in many similar threads, that I just wanted some general information on how it was going with GW2. Well, I finally got my answer (in the quarterly report), something will probably be announced about GW2 in 2010-2011. This information has been given by many GW fans for a long time now, bit it's finally an 'official'(?) report. I'm just saddened that this information, which was freely shared with their investors, and posted online (for a short time), was not relayed from Anet to the fans directly.

To all the flamers and trolls who keep coming to these threads in droves even though these discussions disgust you, it makes me sad that I ever tried to bring up the possibility that threads were being closed too quickly. It is all to obvious to me now that, like locusts, you descend on a conversation and pick away till there's nothing recognizable left.

Srak Scream · Feb 16, 2009, 07:21 AM // 07:21

ok just for the record, originally there was supposed to be a beta for GW2 in summer 08 and since there is no sign of a beta any time soon did u guys actually think that gw2 would happen in 09 at all?

i hope not

game gets pushed back....game gets better

Lonesamurai · Feb 16, 2009, 08:59 AM // 08:59

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Originally Posted by Srak Scream

ok just for the record, originally there was supposed to be a beta for GW2 in summer 08 and since there is no sign of a beta any time soon did u guys actually think that gw2 would happen in 09 at all?

i hope not

Where was a beta in Summer 08 ever officially mentioned? That was the community that thought that

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Originally Posted by Srak Scream

game gets pushed back....game gets better

very true... but may I quote one game name in defference... Duke Nukem Forever

RedNova88 · Feb 16, 2009, 09:28 AM // 09:28

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very true... but may I quote one game name in defference... Duke Nukem Forever

I remember hearing about that game back when I was playing Total Annihilation still... yeah, it's been a long time!

Cacheelma, why so negative? Why so... Jaded? No offense but every one of your posts I read is basically just an insult direct towards Anet or another poster. I'm no fanboi but that's pretty rude, IMO.

At any rate I think the chances of the game getting canceled are very slim, but it still doesn't hurt to be prepared for the possibility. Take a look at Tiberium, that game was in alpha(I think) and looked AMAZING. It was later canceled out of the blue because it didn't "meet the standards" of EA. From all the posts I've been reading it's as if people actually want GW2 to get canned.

Jecht Scye · Feb 16, 2009, 10:41 AM // 10:41

Tiberium was canceled because EA's bad PR is finally catching up with them. They had to go with what they KNEW would make them money(The Sims 3, and future installations of Madden), and make cuts where they saw risks. Unfortunately it was with a game which I was waiting for ever since C&C Renegade went unsupported.

People, unless NC Soft goes under, Guild Wars 2 is going to happen. It's their prize pig, it would be ridiculous to think that EA would up and cancel the Sims 3, Blizzard Diablo 3, or anything of the like. So why would NC Soft do essentially the same? Just bite the bullet, twiddle your thumbs, or play some games in the mean time. But as I said: Unless NC Soft goes kaput, Guild Wars 2 will happen. It doesn't make sense to think otherwise.

Mars Dragonblade · Feb 16, 2009, 01:42 PM // 13:42

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Originally Posted by furanshisuko

i think im the only 1 thats happy about this. it will give me enough time to finish my titles

I'm very happy about this too actually. Not for titles - those mean absolutely nothing to me - but I'm hoping this will lessen some of the "maybe in GW2" and "let the developers work on GW2" crap that seems to find its way into almost every Sardelac thread.

Abedeus · Feb 16, 2009, 01:50 PM // 13:50

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Originally Posted by Jecht Scye

Tiberium was canceled because EA's bad PR is finally catching up with them. They had to go with what they KNEW would make them money(The Sims 3, and future installations of Madden), and make cuts where they saw risks. Unfortunately it was with a game which I was waiting for ever since C&C Renegade went unsupported.

People, unless NC Soft goes under, Guild Wars 2 is going to happen. It's their prize pig, it would be ridiculous to think that EA would up and cancel the Sims 3, Blizzard Diablo 3, or anything of the like. So why would NC Soft do essentially the same? Just bite the bullet, twiddle your thumbs, or play some games in the mean time. But as I said: Unless NC Soft goes kaput, Guild Wars 2 will happen. It doesn't make sense to think otherwise.

You know, NCSoft still has CoX, Lineages, L3, Aion.

I think you should replace NCSoft with A.Net, then it wil be true - they have NOTHING except for Guild Wars 1/2.

Laibeus Lord · Feb 16, 2009, 02:30 PM // 14:30

Getting pushed back doesn't mean it will be a better game than originally planned.

Tabula Rasa was pushed back, was it better? Nope. In my opinion (and others as well), the original TR was better.

In TR's case, we know why it was pushed back, because the "testers" said it sucked, so they re-started the project and ended up with to the testers' taste "better" product. But ask the general public, it contradicts the testers opinion. (Testers and the public are two totally different market.)

And if anyone here also read the blogs of the ex-TR and ex-NCsoft employees telling the story of what's happening inside NCsoft, from the development teams to the Corporate people... well....

So now, the question is, why was GW2 pushed back? Maybe something similar to [1] "testers" who doesn't like the first GW2 version? Or [2] Corporate issues again? Or maybe [3] both?

Is A.Net different from NCsoft? Outside yes. How about the inner workings and relationship of NCsoft and Arena Net? Remember the relationship between OSI and EA?

As far as I know, only Vivendi Universal Games (now Activision-Blizzard, Inc.) doesn't have full control over one of its subsidiaries - Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. they have more autonomous status than their sister-subsidiary Sierra. After all, Blizzard Entertainment is producing millions of dollars to the pockets of its parent company Vivendi Universal Games (again, now Activision-Blizzard, Inc.), and they know how to pull-it-out.

Their relationship is described as a Husband and Wife. They don't agree on many things, they also agree on many things. There are things that the other wants to do differently that the other doesn't agree on. And there are things that they both agree on how to execute.

In my opinion, I hope the relationship between NCsoft and ArenaNet is similar to Activision-Blizzard, Inc. and Blizzard Entertainment, Inc.

If their relationship is similar to Electronic Arts, Inc. and Origin Systems, Inc., well, we'll need all the prayers in the world so GW2 will really blow us away positively.

Well, we'll see. For now, let's do something else to distract us from waiting

Laibeus Lord · Feb 16, 2009, 03:07 PM // 15:07

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Originally Posted by JR

Why there is no GW2 info yet:

Look at every MMO that has come out in the western market since World of Warcraft. Every single one has faded into mediocrity, or failed entirely, having not been able to get same pull on players that Blizzard does. They don't have as much content, it's less intuitive, it's not as polished... whatever. Nobody in the MMO game, as of right now, can keep up with WoW. Off the top of my head the only other MMO that has managed consistant growth is EVE, which is actually older than WoW (and much more of a niche game.)

Hmm, in your side of the World - the Western Hemisphere, I will agree. However, here in the Eastern Hemisphere, South Asia, to ASEAN, to East Asia, no I do not agree. There are many MMOs (regardless of business model) that managed to have consistent growth other than WoW and EVE.

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

It's still fun.

I'll say it before, and I'll say it again.

Stop acting like the only thing that matters in a game is how many people play it. Play the game that you think is fun. It doesn't matter how many people play it relative to other games.

Oh, it does matter. As someone who works for the industry and a gamer, I learned that fact slow and painfully. Numbers matter a lot.

Also gamer doesn't have to start working for the industry for him to see that numbers matter. If you value your investment in a product, you will look at the numbers. The people who infused the company with money mostly, always only care about the numbers, especially when it comes to subscription games like the one you quoted - Warhammer Online.

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Originally Posted by Age

I could go further but those who are playing WoW are probably doing it out loyalty and dedication.They have invested a lot of hrs on thier accounts and aren't ready to abandon WoW.It could be the same for GW as we are abanding the time and energy we put into our accounts.

I do agre with you on the Ferrari to Kia thing though personaly I would want a Ferrari.

Huh? No. Loyalty to a game doesn't exist. I know a lot of people, who spent 5,000 hours at the minimum of a particular game (in this case World of Warcraft) that are not playing anymore. Some are playing another game, some completely stopped from playing online games, some any game. Same goes with GW.

According to my Xfire count (which isn't accurate, since Xfire game detection doesn't work under Linux-Ubuntu), I have accumulated 1,887hrs for GW, and 1,346 hours for WoW. And I've abandoned these two games more than 3 times already, I just login if I feel bored, not because of loyalty or dedication or because I want to play the game - I'm simply bored, I simply ran out of things to do for the day.

I started playing GW again recently, coz of GW2, but now that I've read it was delayed again, goodbye GW for the 4th time. Oh, by the way, I collected all Collector's Edition of GW and other non-box purchases, and I simply abandoned it just like that. And I am not alone.

We haven't even started talking about past games and how many characters I deleted myself after reaching 2/3 of game's character levels...

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Originally Posted by Age

We could of been given more content in the current game.I am wondering how many WoW cutomers are leaving to go play Perfect World which is free?You just have to dl the client and set up an account and go and play.

Western Hemisphere? Few to none-at-all.
Eastern Hemisphere? A little bit more than few.

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

wait... you mean this?:

this surely can't compete with WoW on any serious level...

Not to mention that this ISN'T a new business model... it doesn't have a sub because the business model is based on the player buying ingame currency with real money to buy ingame items that aren't available without them ingame

The first screenshot is kind of very undescriptive of Perfect World. I've seen it and played it, it's definitely not that ugly (sorry for the word).

Pepe El Telefonista · Feb 16, 2009, 03:35 PM // 15:35

Good, if they do an awesome work the GW2 can wait to see the light.

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His point was to say that the mention of "the game" is not what people would expect

Because it is an outline, now the have 2-3 years for polish it.

Joanie Loves Chachi · Feb 16, 2009, 03:50 PM // 15:50

There's nothing to worry about it being pushed back...

Just look at all of the great games that are coming out!

- Resident Evil 5
- Street Fighter IV
- Dragon Age: Origins
- Halo Wars (For those who like Halo)

Now for the ones that have come out!

- Final Fantasy #-#
- Afro Samurai
- Galactic Civilization Ultimate Edition
- Bikini Death Squad (For those interested in women wearing bikinis and killing zombies)
- Sega Ultimate Collection
- Fire Emblem

Other things to look forward to!

- Starcraft II
- Diablo III
- Star Wars: Knights MMO
- Star Trek Online

That's just a few but you get my point? I know everyone wants GW2 to come out earlier, myself included, but there are other games out there. Hell, I would sell Laibeus's Kidney for an earlier release date. Unfortunately, Anet thinks that he needs it to live.

Kudos to Anet for sticking with GW2 despite the Economic spiral to hell and the sudden attack by world.com

White Halo · Feb 16, 2009, 04:12 PM // 16:12

As said so many times before GW2 isnt comeing out 'if it ever does" until late 2011. Also as I was reading threw the posts i read that they are running out of content to add to GW 1? That made me lol b/c how can they run out of stuff to do when they can add more lore to the game? Or even have one of the dragons awake and add a whole new campaign around that. Also wake up ppl they only made a campaign about 1 god....how many are there in GW 1? If u play a dervish you should know. I mean GW has a lore but not one that is so in depth, and tied to books ect. that u have to add content to follow it. When i say this im comparing it to WoW, and Warcraft. It isnt tied to any books like LOTRO is so the content can be endless. What i dont understand is y even come out with GW 2 when u can add it to GW 1 . I mean if u realy care about graphics that bad in an mmo instead of content y even play one? Why not just go play one of the shiney shooters, or rpg's on the Ps3 or XB360? I know ppl are gonna be like omg i want a higher lvl cap blahh blahh blahh. Ok well the game was never centered around that it was about gettiing all your mainclass and subclass skills to better your toon and your play.

shoyon456 · Feb 16, 2009, 04:29 PM // 16:29

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

Where was a beta in Summer 08 ever officially mentioned? That was the community that thought that

Oh, yeah sorry, ppl who don't keep up on old info fail. Gaile said here in the beginning of 2008 there would be a whole new gw2 website, beta, screenshots, and the WORKS in 2008 (the irony is that you posted in the thread too):

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10236232

I'm grateful for a rough time estimate finally, but pushing it back another 1-2 years, well, thats a shame.

And to the other guy, yeah perfect world is actually quite beautiful. People just make stupid looking chars because theres so much customization to them. The graphics on Perfect World are easily comparable to GW, yet it has jumping/swimming/flying/etc..